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Router / NAS / Print Server

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I need to upgrade my home network, so I’m seeking your opinions/advise/technical knowledge.

Currently my home network consists of a Netgear RT311 (purchased from Neil). In terms of sharing a broadband connection over a home network, this device is probably one of the first(?). It’s very simple. Broadband connection in, Ethernet out – no firewall or nothing. The firmware was upgraded to allow for login to Bigpond’s Cable network through the router rather than the PC-based login client. Occassionally the router needs to be power-cycled for it to connect to the net/login.

On top of that is a 10Mbps hub. So, not a very sophisticated network, but it works.

Where I want to head, and are keen to receive your recommendations/advise:

  • a new router, wireless, improved firewall etc, preferably with QoS for future VoIP use. It really does need to be from a company that includes the Bigpond Cable login client in the firmware – I can check that out through the OzCableguy web-site.
  • some routers offer a USB printer port – LAN enabling your printer. But, I’ve only heard/read bad reports about using your printer through a router with a USB port – mainly loss of functionality / not all printers compatible. Would have to work for both a PC and MAC. Is it easier to just share your printer through a desktop, or is the USB port on a router worthwhile? (BTW, router would need 2 USB ports for two printers).
  • networked storage – I really need a backup solution, particularly with a new laptop on the horizon. A dedicated 1TB RAID NAS would be nice, e.g. the ReadyNAS 600, but pretty pricey (second mortgage pricey… well not quite). I want the storage/backup device to be stand-alone, not dependant on a particular machine through a USB2/FW connection. Also, being networked it would be accessible through a wireless network. The cheaper NAS devices (non-RAID) are only 10/100 – I see no point in having network storage unless it’s got Gig Ethernet for that full-backup early on a Saturday morning when all machines are plugged in to the network.

In summary, I’m interested in your thoughts on routers/brands, printer sharing and networked storage.

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Friday 18 August, 2006 at 07:00 AM

I would forget the USB printer port. I think the issue with them is that virtually all USB printers has drivers that rely on two way communication with the printer, and the ports of routers don’t allow that. Something like that, anyway.

Routers: Tim and I use Draytek with good results. Thewy have models with Bigpong software and voip ports built in, with QoS (and useless printer port).
 
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Friday 18 August, 2006 at 10:21 AM

Thoughts:

1) MOST big-brand routers have Bigpond support. It seems that sometimes this support is flaky or missing from early software releases of many products. 2) Since you mention the Bigpond login client, you must be on BP cable. If you plan to use VoIP, you may want to upgrade to the Extreme plans which give higher upload speebs (256kbps). Extreme plans also increase the potential download speed to approx 17Mbps. Many (mostly older) routers cannot even go close to passing this speed. My Netgear WGR614 wireless router, for example, only passes 3-4Mbps with SPI enabled, and only 7Mbps with SPI disabled. Tom’s Hardware’s networking sub-site has done some testing in this area—it’s worth a visit. 3) Speed will also be a consideration for your proposed network in that few domestic-grade routers have GigE switching capability and, of those that do, I’d question the ability to pass traffic at anything like the nominal electrical capability of the interface. In other words, you may spend the bucks on a GigE NAS device and still get way under GigE performance from the router. You could probably address this with a separate wire-speed switch. 4) Also, don’t forget that your NAS device needs to be able to handle its own internal disc I/O and other functions at very high speeds in order to be able to maintain GigE speeds at the interface. Even fast SATA drives can only sustain something like 200-300Mbps (I believe) due to mecanical constraints. On this basis, I’ve thought that the Netgear Storage Centre looks like great value for a small NAS. But since I use 2 x RAID 1 arrays in the NerdBox, I have never felt the need for off-line storage. 5) Back to routers… 802.11n is coming. Draft-N product is available now and MAY be able to be upgraded to full-N—but nobody knows for sure. But you’d need N-capability in all the attached devices to take advantage. I reckon the sweet spot right now is in 802.11g MIMO products. The DLink DI-634M looks good (good real-world throughput, MIMO, QoS, BP login). See here: http://www.dlink.com.au/Products.aspx?Sec=2&Sub1=18&Sub2=46&PID=63 The y.et-to-be-released DIR-635 looks like the logical step up. http://www.dlink.com.au/Products.aspx?Sec=2&Sub1=18&Sub2=73&PID=273 Netge.ar seems to have decided not to implement QoS in their products. Food for thought.
 
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Friday 18 August, 2006 at 11:12 AM

No argument with anything Richard said. But I will say that that with 128kbps on my Optus cable we manage very well to run a Voip line and use multiple computers at the same time. wink
And as for 802.11n – FWIW, everything that I’m hearing on the ground about the pre-N devices is that they suck.

 
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Friday 18 August, 2006 at 11:58 AM

Neil and Richard,

Thanks for the notes. Neil: Which model Draytek? Richard: 1) Yeah, that’s what I’ve seen on reviews like OzCableguy. 2) Well, I get >3Mbps max on the standard Bigpond Cable. Higher upload speeds would be nice, more for maintaining web-sites though. But, if I were to change plans, I’d probably just move to ADSL2. 128kbps seems like plenty for VoIP, and I won’t be using it that much. 3) Yep, the intention was a separate Gig Ethernet switch. 4) 100Mbps is simply too slow for regularly accessing storage. Sure, a NAS device may not use the full 1Gbps, but I’m looking for the speed of a USB2.0/Firewire connection over a LAN. Hence the 1Gbps. In my mind, the idea of networked storage should have been easy – that is, no compatibility issues to worry about. But what I’ve seen – and why I’m asking questions of other’s experience, is that many of the consumer NAS devices are not compatible with Macs or have other quirks. E.g. the Netgear Storage Centre which, according to Oztechnologies.com , “relies on Zetera software which (a) requires Windows 2000 or XP”. 5) Will look at the D-Link. In terms of the different standards though, in the end it’s about the product you’re using. I’m looking at a MacBook mean 54Mbps based on 802.11g.
 
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Saturday 19 August, 2006 at 07:16 AM

Re: Draytek – there’s a range depending on the particular collection of features you want. I have this one but there are a couple more that handle Bigpond connections fine.

 
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Wednesday 23 August, 2006 at 07:04 AM

AusPC Market (http://www.auspcmarket.com.au) has just released this device (http://www.01tech.com/m_ms1100.htm) which they claim will allow even USB MFPs to be networked. The web site of the manufacturer doesn’t fill me with confidence, but the guys at AusPC usually test stuff pretty thoroughly…

 
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Sunday 27 August, 2006 at 11:53 AM

According to Whirlpool looks like I soon won’t have to worry about Bigpond compatibility.

 
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Tuesday 12 September, 2006 at 06:38 AM

Gees Richard, I’d be returning it straight away.

 
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Tuesday 12 September, 2006 at 12:18 PM

Be very glad you use Macs and could not be tricked by my earlier comments on the Netgear SC101.

I ‘liberated’ a couple of 200GB IDE drives when rebuilding the NerdBox. Thinking that I’d put them to use as network-attached backup storage, I bought a SC101. Nice looking box. Chunky. Elegant. Absolutely the worst PC software I’ve EVER come across. As you correctly stated, the SC101 uses a proprietary networking and storage protocol (from Zetera). To access the drives in the SC101, the Zetera software must be running on your PC (not available for Macs – be pleased). In my experience, the Zetera software: * causes many mainstream PC apps to become unstable (Firefox, Outlook, IE all locked up when the Zterea software was running) * loses contact with the SC101 box if you are in the same room with it (or not) – result is that your storage becomes invisible to the PC * can’t be shut down once it starts running (Task Manager can’t stop the process) * can’t be uninstalled without going into SAFE MODE * prevents the PC from being elegantly shut down when it’s running. Bleeaagghhhhh. It really sucks. I’m engaged in a fault-finding mission with Netgear to see if this puppy can be made to work. I hold out little hope at this stage – I have had the same problems with two fresh installs of WinXP on the newly-enhanced NerdBox. I reckon this is just really bad software that is hamstringing what appears to be quite I nice piece of hardware.
 
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Tuesday 29 May, 2007 at 04:34 AM

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for a router, I’ve done well with a Linksys WRT54GL flashed to an alternative <span class=“caps”>DD-WRT</span> firmware from http://www.dd-wrt.com This. is good router, and with the added firmware you can do lots of cool things like adjust the power, load files onto the router, play around with QoS, etc. for my second network that’s going to be attached to a faster line, I’m going for the Buffalo WRH-HP-54G due to the slimline (radio) look, more powerful aerial and again ability to add alternative firmware. I have a SPA-3102 (sipura/linksys) attached to the WRT54GL for VoIP, and I’ll probably get a cheap Linksys or D-Link print server (favouring the D-Link for spec at the mo). Back to the Buffalo, add an Asus WL-700gE for the non-computer dependent download capability (and I also found on a forum that you can do cool things with the WL-700gE a la Linux), and maybe a Buffalo TeraStation or similar for a <span class=“caps”>NAS</span>. Now I just have to convince someone to pay for it all, lol. But maybe it’s given you or anyone else reading this some avenues to look at. Cheers. H. http://www.patwanet.co.uk
 
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